Well that’s how they are supposed to work (I think). The change is just clarification in the rulebook.

I guess I’m confused. Are you worried because he didn’t specifically call those characters out their abilities are non-functional in Hell Time? I’m pretty sure they are, or at least their abilities that effect their combat. 

Here’s what I think works in Hell Time:

• Amelia’s Veteran (Adds 1 damage to a 4th Circler)
• Bernice’s Teamwork (Increases the value of helping an attack)
• Bernice’s Death with Honor (Changes her attack… once)
• Cindrew’s Fidget, Dance! (Reduces damage)
• Cindrew’s Fight, Sic (It doesn’t work on the Lord, but when you’re mopping up the groundlings…)
• Cissy’s Good with Gloom (Changes how to pay for helping)
• Dorothy’s Winsome (Transfer’s damage she could take)
• Dorothy’s Inner Strength (Let’s you help more than once)
• Hannah’s Sighted In (Attack the minions next to the Lord’s Shadow)
• Hannah’s Head Shot (Adds two dice together)
• John’s Familiar Spirit (Changes the reward for killing demons)*
• Moose’s All Out (Duh)
• Naomi’s Focus (Change’s an attack die’s face)
• Naomi’s Otherworldly Visions (Also duh)
• Penrod’s Just a Distraction (Reward’s taking statuses)*
• Penrod’s Brawler (Let’s you take a second attack)*
• Prof. Max’s Mentor (Let’s you help without being in the same Area)*
• Tarang’s Gratitude (Gives an extra boost when helped)
• Tarang’s Silat (Let’s you kill an extra demon)
• Victor’s Charisma (Borrows other players’ Troopers to block damage)
• Victor’s Leadership (Changes how much Troopers absorb)

Hannah’s Zeroed In and Moose’s Charge specifically calls out that they cannot use it in Hell Time; John’s Forfeit Soul cannot be used because the Despair Track cannot be increased during Hell Time; Naomi’s Nimble state you cannot move into the Lord’s Shadow

All the ones marked with * are abilities I’m not sure of.

See https://petersengames.com/foru…..ge-2/#p458 if someone else’s opinion is needed and you have not been able to play against Lord Asmod yet yourself.

Except it’s not just one person gets a luck — especially if the Lord is close to the action: Everybody teleports, then next player attacks on their space, runs into Hell, and repeat on every player’s turn.

The menace of Cthulhu and Scylla (especially while she has 4-6 heads) are not sufficient either.  I agree with you that the others have a fixed cost of entry large enough to discourage.  I detailed elsewhere in these forums why, even without the Luck, we feel it is very powerful to be able to choose your starting space on your turn.

In any case, I am happy that at least now Asmod is being examined!

Best,

-A

I understand – I mean, Asmod is not playable right now for us so it’s hard to have a greater concern than that, but, they are still concerns.

I suppose an additional way of looking at it:  I don’t know what the future plans are for the game, but if more Lords may ever come – fix the backbone of the problem now while other rules are being amended, and keep the design space free for whatever future Menace abilities can be dreamed up.

Nice!

Asmod: Still problematic for players doing this later in turn order, as others can just teleport out (retreat) first, setting up for next round at home, or free ride out of their trouble spot from whatever they did earlier, plus of course the free Luck — assuming players do not attack themselves if left alone?
(It is likely worthwhile anyway even if not left alone, just dealing with one human attack.)

While we have the spotlight on Asmod; if interested in taking a look – he still might have some troublesome scaling problems across # of players – i.e. controlling half the number of players in a 2-player game, as ville.mankinen also noted, vs. only a fifth in 5.

Great to see the attention given to the other two Lords as well – Cthulhu will have none of this silliness on his watch!